crossing into Moldavia

[rjm]

I remember when I first came to Kiev 5 years ago,I f I was in a public place speaking on my mobile in English I would be like something in a museum and all the eyes would be on me from the local female population, these days I barely get a second look,or maybe I am not growing old as gracefully as I would have hoped 

In Kiev I find most foreigners who have wives or girlfriends, when you speak to them you normally find they are from a provincial city!

[ecocks]

Welcome to the EVOLUTION!

                   

[Moving]

Thanks for the "interesting" points of you.

I think that it is an urban myth that Ukrainian girls hate their men, when I first was in Moscow in 1998 I heard Russian girls say this very much also,however that changed the more and more that their men began to become solvent.

The same situation is happening in Kiev right now with lessand less girls showing interest in foreigners, the drying up of the marriage agency market is surely proof of that. As for Odesa and provincial cities I am certain that things will eventually change there also!

RJM keep slandering pls!!!

The report is long and needs to touch the following points:

1)Ukraine must be the country for having fun when you are a foreigner in fact it is the ONLY country where I felt like getting girls because I was a foreigner
2)Ukrainian women HATE their men and it is crazy how they hate them
3)SilverBullet cant even dare to compare the beauty of Moscow's girls with that of Kiev's girls. Only Odessa can triumph over Moscow.
4)I had to stop girls at university and tell them they would not be allowed in italian universities with such shorts
5)MissHateMen took me to her place and then told me "I do not let you leave Ukraine with a smile on your face"
6)the linguistic issue it is very interesting and Ukrainian language will die

are we sure dude? probably the international marriages decreases because ukrainian girls understand an ukrainian partner is more stable. this does not mean they do not despise their men.

now dude you live there whilst i was only travelling, but believe me their hate towards the male ukrainian population seemed firm. complaints range from the lack of physical beauty, to the egoistic way to conceive sex, to the passiveness of men. other complaints were simplòy constatation "Moving, look here: we are in a disco and we just have females".

as concern the attention, i am a young decent guy, but nowhere i had whole table of chicks turning to look at me and nowhere i gathered up to 3/4 numbers in one night.

in some places i even got to know girl on the way to the toilette.

i must be honest this does not always make me happy, what i liked in moscow it is that the fight for reaching a girl could be as hard as in italian disco. because thats the school i come from mate, and it is an hard school.

[SilverBullet]

The same situation is happening in Kiev right now with lessand less girls showing interest in foreigners, the drying up of the marriage agency market is surely proof of that.

rjm :"The same situation is happening in Kiev right now with lessand less girls showing interest in foreigners, the drying up of the marriage agency market is surely proof of that. "


You know, rjm, I think you quite right here. I have noticed that local girls here have switched their interest quite a bit from foreign to local men. I conducted my super mini sociological study that showed that of all the girls that were asked the question “would you prefer to date/marry a foreign or Ukrainian man?". Most answered Ukrainian. Most of them claim the mentality difference and say that it is OK and may be fun to date a foreigner but it would be extremely heard to live together  "till death do us part" due to this "mentality difference".

This discussion has no longer anything to do with Moldova? ... But ok, with average official wage in Ukraine at only 1,750 Hryvnia or $350/month, and with the average salary in Germany 10x higher, I think most young Ukrainians would like to leave for Western Europe or the USA if they could.  Many are just counting the years until Ukraine will become a member of the EU -- just like the Poles did. There are thousands of women in Ukraine who are very interested in foreign men, but not those driving a Porsche Cayenne already in Kyiv of course. They are better off with whatever their Ukrainian or $Russian man is doing for a living in this country.  Check out www.anastasiaweb.com - a lot of eye candy there, could marry anyone of them  , they just keep adding new women every day too. Ukrainian women have just moved to cyberspace. (Anastasiaweb and mail.ru - they are there and not in the old sidewalk marriage agencies. More are from Ukraine than Russia, but quite a few from Moldova. Perhaps Moldovian girls are the best? 

[SilverBullet]

3)SilverBullet cant even dare to compare the beauty of Moscow's girls with that of Kiev's girls. Only Odessa can triumph over Moscow.

Moving --- not following you here. I think both girls in Moscow and in Kyiv are extremely beautiful, but agree that Odessa women are somthing special. Never seen so many extremely beautiful women. The best kept secrets are however Kharkiv - the city of students and also Nikolaev - the city of brides; both well known city nicknames among Ukrainian men. If you think Odessa women are beautiful - you need to visit neighboring Nikolaev next time. Many of the women you saw in Odessa were probably from Nikolaev.     

[Moving]

SB, it was the second time for me in Kiev and second time I was NO impressed at all.

[Moving]

The same situation is happening in Kiev right now with lessand less girls showing interest in foreigners, the drying up of the marriage agency market is surely proof of that.

rjm :"The same situation is happening in Kiev right now with lessand less girls showing interest in foreigners, the drying up of the marriage agency market is surely proof of that. "


You know, rjm, I think you quite right here. I have noticed that local girls here have switched their interest quite a bit from foreign to local men. I conducted my super mini sociological study that showed that of all the girls that were asked the question “would you prefer to date/marry a foreign or Ukrainian man?". Most answered Ukrainian. Most of them claim the mentality difference and say that it is OK and may be fun to date a foreigner but it would be extremely heard to live together  "till death do us part" due to this "mentality difference".

This discussion has no longer anything to do with Moldova? ... But ok, with average official wage in Ukraine at only 1,750 Hryvnia or $350/month, and with the average salary in Germany 10x higher, I think most young Ukrainians would like to leave for Western Europe or the USA if they could.  Many are just counting the years until Ukraine will become a member of the EU -- just like the Poles did. There are thousands of women in Ukraine who are very interested in foreign men, but not those driving a Porsche Cayenne already in Kyiv of course. They are better off with whatever their Ukrainian or $Russian man is doing for a living in this country.  Check out www.anastasiaweb.com - a lot of eye candy there, could marry anyone of them  , they just keep adding new women every day too. Ukrainian women have just moved to cyberspace. (Anastasiaweb and mail.ru - they are there and not in the old sidewalk marriage agencies. More are from Ukraine than Russia, but quite a few from Moldova. Perhaps Moldovian girls are the best? 

Actually I do not think it is just a question of salary. Some of them just despise their men.

Even MsMaybeProstitute (she confessed having had sex with 200 men and told me "you have to offer me sth crazy, even making up on the street is not interesting for me") told me that thinking that ukrainian girl marry for money it is naive: they are more likely to refuse their male culture.

[SilverBullet]

Moving, not quite following you again .... What was the goal for your expedition to Kyiv and Odesa? As far as I know, Italy has a lot of extremely beautiful women too! Someone in a Moscow nightclub however said that the most beautiful women in Italy are from Russia? As for women who have been with 200+ men, not sure if that is the type of women I would be interested in. I am happy with only one woman for a long time. Perhaps I am too old fashioned . By the way HIV are on the rise in Ukraine - so be careful and start looking for serious girls and you will be much happier.  SB

[Moving]

I am actually quite happy and the more I grow the more I am happy.
I also want one woman but not now:-)))

[rjm]

Purely out of curiousity how old are you?

Less than 20 I would guess judging by your extremely cliched and simplistic views!

I am still quite certain that your posts are purely wind ups, your consistent non understanding of all issues "Ukrainian girls" is almost laughable

Try finding one or better still living with one then return with your words of wisdom 

I am actually quite happy and the more I grow the more I am happy.
I also want one woman but not now:-)))

[Christy]

I'm glad you're back, Moving - I don't watch TV so this is a good as it gets ;-)

[3000ftup]

RJM, I think he wrote some time back... in the menagerie of the highly entertaining letters he was 28 and from Italy

[rjm]

Well if he is 28 I am genuinely stunned 

Particularly the comment about under age girls seems even more sick now!!!!!!

Cue more bilge...

[Moving]

Dear RJM, whats exactly disturb you?

I never have sex with girls under the age of consent so pls refrain from slandering me.

I have just ironically proposed to lower the age of consent in Ukraine to 14yo, this is because those girls dress like hookers.

I have never pretended to understand ukrainian women (or women in general - good if you manage this mate!!!) so really take my words for what they are: impressions of a visitor in Ukraine.

but really what disturbs you mate?

[Moving]

Purely out of curiousity how old are you?

Less than 20 I would guess judging by your extremely cliched and simplistic views!

I am still quite certain that your posts are purely wind ups, your consistent non understanding of all issues "Ukrainian girls" is almost laughable

Try finding one or better still living with one then return with your words of wisdom 

I am actually quite happy and the more I grow the more I am happy.
I also want one woman but not now:-)))

maybe does it bother you that i like being with more girls? actually man i do not even care about that...
i am no longer in my teens and i have learned to value good women. before i was crazy not now.
still feel like lecturing? who are you? i never listen to strangers, especially when they pretend to be in the know  in such an arrogant way like you LOL

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