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[Vera]

Simply an interesting point, ha? Very few people here unfortunately can even imagine HOW MUCH AMERICANS work. I mean rarely the working week is 40 hrs, most often then not it is 50 or even 60 hours. And mind you they are not sitting idle but work really hard, so hard that there is no time or for office romance. There are often benchmarks one has to meet; if you do not perform you are fired. So if you romance instead of working you will not reach the benchmark set for you. Anyway I have never seen people working so hard anywhere in the world (I have been and lived in quite a few places around the world). America deserves all the wealth its people work hard to create. Let us not mix the dissatisfaction with foreign policy with what America deserves economically. My respect goes to all hard working and tax paying Americans (15th of April should be made a national holiday. Amen.)

[JonathanCampion]

Of course one's personality comes across in internet forums - I made the point on Friday about long-time members and their mood swings.

Moving, you seem not to understand what this forum is. Click "forum" and read some past conversations - politics, food, business, travel, sport...... Expatua isn't a place to take swipes at members that have opinions which you don't agree with. Find a chatroom if you want to have a go at America or Clinton, there are millions of sites where you can exchange anonymous abuse.

It also isn't a place to boast about how 'easy' some Ukrainian girls are - there are a million more sites for that, sadly. I could do without that rubbish, and I'm sure Vera could too.

If you were intelligent enough to get a job in an American company in Moscow, you're intelligent enough to join in an adult conversation here without lowering the tone.

[ecocks]

Ecocks no one is denying that. but it is funny how men are to blame and women innocent.

BillClinton has committed NO abuse at all, he just got a BJ from an adult CONSENSUAL female.

Catching up to this one....

Sadly, this is true since there seem to be some who deliberately set out to work their way to the top using sex as one of the major weapons in their arsenal.  That is no swipe against women, it is society that has established an environment where men have almost always enjoyed the position of power.  That is changing in America as more and more women gain access to the executive ranks but still has a long way to go for them to achieve parity.  Women can be seductive (as bad or worse than men), however this occasionally comes through in the court situations and investigations.  Personally, I know of a couple of situations where members of both sexes participated in this sort of behavior.  Yes, just like the situation with Bill and Monica, most companies try to "take care" of the problem quietly.  Hold your ire, I am not talking about homicide or coercion.  The instances I am aware of were from a "good" company perspective where we attempted to make things as "right" as possible.  In one instance, we terminated a woman who seemed to have the knack of finding supervisors, managers and senior co-workers to sleep with.  She was given a generous severance (either 2 or 3 months pay), job-search assistance and positive, work-related references.  The managers were basically reprimanded for not having more sense and it was suggested that a couple attend some training and/or counseling sessions.  In a second, glaring situation, an HR manager was caught offering jobs in return for sexual favors to applicants.  That one wasn't dealt with quietly since one of the women was an investigator for the Department of Justice.  Not a pleasant situation, but the company acted quickly after it was apparent there was a problem, discharging the manager quickly and trying to sort out the claims and damage to the women involved.  Direct cost to the company from fines was over $2.5 million.  Indirect costs (lawyers, severance packages, continuation of benefits, etc.) were significant as well.

Historically, the exact same comments were made in America as here:  She deserved it. What do you expect from men? She's sleeping her way to the top.  All men are pigs! I'm the boss, and she wasn't "forced" to do anything! On and on.  Things will change, eventually.  In Europe and yes, even in Italy, there are the beginnings of changes in public sentiments as more and more things are exposed to public knowledge. 

http://vaw.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/10/4/386

And, despite claims to the contrary, this is changing more everyday as industrialization and freedom strengthens.....

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/hearings/20071121/femm/lazzeroni_en.pdf

Bad things happen everywhere.  But, times they are a'changin.....

[Moving]

Of course one's personality comes across in internet forums - I made the point on Friday about long-time members and their mood swings.

Moving, you seem not to understand what this forum is. Click "forum" and read some past conversations - politics, food, business, travel, sport...... Expatua isn't a place to take swipes at members that have opinions which you don't agree with. Find a chatroom if you want to have a go at America or Clinton, there are millions of sites where you can exchange anonymous abuse.

It also isn't a place to boast about how 'easy' some Ukrainian girls are - there are a million more sites for that, sadly. I could do without that rubbish, and I'm sure Vera could too.

If you were intelligent enough to get a job in an American company in Moscow, you're intelligent enough to join in an adult conversation here without lowering the tone.

ill get back to you later because in NO post i have said "Ukrainian women are easy", you are slandering my friend or manipulating my post in order to lecture

RJM, said he can have one different girl per week...was this offensive???

[JonathanCampion]

I don't think it is "slander", and it certainly isn't "manipulation" because I didn't need to refer to any specific post to make my point.

It isn't a personal attack either - some of your messages were genuinely funny, and I'm not responsible for any of your negative feedback. I just tried to steer the forum in a direction that most of us would appreciate, as I really enjoy joining in the discussions on this forum between projects at work.

[azzice]

wow another example of western tolerance ....

[JonathanCampion]

Meaning?

[ecocks]

Yeah, I know what you mean Jon.  I am curious what his point is/was also....

[JonathanCampion]

I suspect he means intolerance by me (not letting Moving's posts go by without trying to bring the discussion back to an accessible topic?) - but: 1) we are both "western", and 2) tolerance isn't always a positive thing - an example being the Ukrainian public's tolerance of, among other things, unethical HR Managers.

[azzice]

I think is clear. You (a forum user) dont like his posts. For this reason you want ban him.

You are a writer aren't you? And a good one (i like your blog..). So i m little be surprised by your reaction... You are supposed to appreciate more than this the freedom of expression.

If you dont like his posts why you simply dont ignore him. Woud be much more elegant

[ecocks]

Uh, he didn't say anything about banning him that I am aware of.  Where are you getting that?

[azzice]

Feel like Vera dont like me 

[Vera]

Feel like Vera dont like me 

You are only saying this, dear azzice, because you do not know me )
I did not have a pleasure of meeting you ,only read a few posts, but I certainly do not dislike you.
Nothing personal, it is only a discussion.

[JonathanCampion]

Thanks for your compliments about my blog, I always appreciate positive messages. You wouldn't happen to be a book publisher, would you?

When did I say I wanted Moving banned? Never. I actually said the exact opposite not long ago, that he should have his own Expatua blog - firstly to give him a space to write about what he wants, and secondly to make sure that only those who want to know about his 'adventures' read it.

As for writers being tolerant - not many that I know.....

[azzice]

In all seriousness, could Moving's stories be made into an Expatua blog, like mine? That way we could all have daily updates about his adventures, but only read them if we want to?

orMoving, you seem not to understand what this forum is. Click "forum" and read some past conversations - politics, food, business, travel, sport...... Expatua isn't a place to take swipes at members that have opinions which you don't agree with. Find a chatroom if you want to have a go at America or Clinton, there are millions of sites where you can exchange anonymous abuse.

or

It also isn't a place to boast about how 'easy' some Ukrainian girls are - there are a million more sites for that, sadly. I could do without that rubbish, and I'm sure Vera could too.

maybe "ban" is not the right expression better kick out from this forum

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