vacancy

[rjm]

You are quite right Steve. Recruitment agencies in UK now are not allowed to send CVs to companies with your age on it, I find this absurd as you only have to look at the the years of Secondary Education to work it out!!!!!!

Also in UK you would never be asked to send a photo as part of your CV, In Ukraine they ask it for obvious reasons!

I do work for various companies and EVERY one of them has hand picked the obvious Barbie for the reception.

I find all this unPC stuff in Ukraine very refreshing and one of the best reasons to continue living here 

For that job in question the Max I would expect a company to pay would be about $500 a month

PS. i think all employers should be free to state the gender of the worker required. as far as i know most of EU allows that...whats the big deal?

To my Knowledge in England, it would be Illegal  to state the Required Age, Sex and No Disrespect,but if a 60 Year Old man came for the Interview in a Wheelchair and had the Necessary Qualifications, The works would have to Explain why they chose to employ someone else rather than him.
And Shops and Premises in England have been Forced to Close down if they do Not have Wheelchair Access!!.

[matlockk]

I think there needs to be a sensible balance between the over zealous PC that pervades the UK and the blatant sexism and exploitation that exists here. Receptionist wanted, must be 20-30, female. Come on.  If they have a vision of what they want they can always filter out the ones that don't fit that.

In my company one of my directors has a male assistant. He does a good job. I would not describe my PA as hot but I felt proud when someone sent an email saying how nice, pleasant and helpful she was, rather than some comment about sex.

[HRM]

!!!!!

[JonathanCampion]

"without commentaries" :-)

[matlockk]

Any discrimination. Precise requirements. What for to waste time on candidates whom companies do not approach. Never I shall believe, that you in UK or US will take the assistant the grandmother in 60 years. I inform the cleverest, the good assistant in Ukraine receives from 1500-2000$ in a month. In our company the assistant not Barbie, and the professional and the right hand TOP.

In my first executive job in the UK I was a mere boy of 30 and my 55 year old PA, who retired at 60 after 40 years service, was the best. I wish she was here sometimes if only to pass her wisdom to some of the Pa's here.

[ecocks]

When my mother retired a second time she was Executive Secretary/Gatekeeper to the COO of a $2B bank.  She was 65 years old, with 2 grandchildren. 

So, yes HRM, the fact is that it is VERY common.  In the US a LOT of executives, like myself, are far more interested in competence and intelligence than I am with how they look.  Especially in financial organizations where an image of stability and seriousness is the norm.   As we stated all businesses with customer interaction have some standard of "presentable" which is applied at the time of the interviews.  It is part of the person's presence. 

Back to the matters at hand though, if you are hiring this position in that salary range, I have a candidate for you.  PM me with your normal agency fee policies.

[HRM]

!!!!!

[JonathanCampion]

А можно поинтересоваться, что за "менталитет"? Когда появится подходящий кандидат (который владеет польским и.т.д), но который является мужчиной, или женщиной которой за 40, Вы его не возьмёте?
Почему Вы берёте не лучших профессионалов, как принято в западных странах?

Ради чего, тогда, молодые люди учатся? Все на форуме понимают что Украина, это особая страна, ведь мы здесь тоже работаем - но Вы не думайте что такими правилами она сама себя вредит?

[ecocks]

In the different countries different requirements and mentality. In our country more often so.

Exactly.  That was why the original question was whether it was legal or not.  In fact, it is illegal in Ukraine but not a law that gets much enforcement attention.  In England and the US, probably in Canada too, this advertisement would be illegal and get the company in trouble.  Fines, hearings and lawsuits would follow.

By the way, this should be posted in the Employment section rather than the discussion area.  Look on the main page and notice the Jobs box in the upper right below the headline section.  Posting is free.

[Moving]

I have been living in the Uk for a very long time when younger, most of you just prove how the equal rights policies (or however they are called) they have too much indoctrinated you

now a company MUST be free to state age, gender, etc...in fact, with the exception of UK (where the paranoia for discriminations are rampant) all other european countries do it constantly

[Vera]

I have been living in the Uk for a very long time when younger, most of you just prove how the equal rights policies (or however they are called) they have too much indoctrinated you

now a company MUST be free to state age, gender, etc...in fact, with the exception of UK (where the paranoia for discriminations are rampant) all other european countries do it constantly

Sometimes I think that you might be right. What I mean is maybe the more information is provided in the ad like this the better it is for the applicant. I mean they stated exactly what they wanted, so the applicants over 30 or males will not bother and waste their time sending in their resumes and going to interviews. As a potential applicant I might even appreciate such approach as it tells me directly that I will not be hired by this particular company to the position advertised, so why bother. It is not hidden from the applicant what they are looking for, therefore it saves time and effort to applicants who do not meet the criteria. On the other hand, as it was mentioned in the above posts, it is the company's loss ultimately as they are losing so many qualified candidates who otherwise would apply but do not just because they are 32 or 35 years old. Doesn't make sense to me at all.

[JonathanCampion]

The argument put to me in a personal message was that people over 30 have a different mentality as a result of a childhood spent under communism - therefore they find it hard to adapt to Ukraine's new business environment. I don't know how hotels were booked or Polish was spoken in the 80s, but I don't think the post of assistant is so specific that those over 30 couldn't keep up. Or men, for that matter.

And if these types of jobs aren't given to qualified people in their thirties, how can Ukraine develop?

[Vera]

The argument put to me in a personal message was that people over 30 have a different mentality as a result of a childhood spent under communism - therefore they find it hard to adapt to Ukraine's new business environment. I don't know how hotels were booked or Polish was spoken in the 80s, but I don't think the post of assistant is so specific that those over 30 couldn't keep up. Or men, for that matter.

And if these types of jobs aren't given to qualified people in their thirties, how can Ukraine develop?

Dear Jon,

Their argument is ridiculous as look at who occupies the top executive positions in big Ukrainian companies?? Are those people under 30?? Females???
Those are all those people who grew up under communist regime. For that matter education in soviet schools was of higher quality as no one bought their grades at that time, well maybe they did but a tiny minority of well-connected people, not every other person.
Anyway I can only add here that as far as HR personnel goes I have met with a few HR "professionals" here and find their unprofessional behavior appalling. Again we all know how people are hired for those positions. One has to be a relative or a lover of an executive, so how can we expect better customer service or generally higher corporate culture if all that qualifies you is how good you are in bed with the hiring authority. Sad!!!

[matlockk]

I found a link to the website for the job

http://www.assistentka.com/

[Moving]

so Europe is primitive because we do not have such laws?

a firm MUST be free to hire a woman if they want

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