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« on: March 22, 02:28 AM »

Looking for work? Don't forget to stop by the Employment Fair today, Saturday March 22, 2008 in KYIV.

Place: "Ukrainian Chamber of Commerce and Industry" exhibition hall on Velyka Zhytomyrska, 33, KYIV

Participants of the fair (about 45 firms) - top Ukrainian and foreign companies interested in recruiting the most qualified people: employment and recruiting agencies as well as banks, law and audit firms.

Last year almost 6 000 people visited the fair and included experienced, skilled professionals with knowledge of foreign languages, who aspire to realize their potential at the best companies, and also top graduates from prestigious schools who are interested in internship opportunities and gaining experience and at top companies.

A good place to start for expats who wants to explore opportunities outside language schools  Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 12:12 AM »

The Employment Fair this weekend had a fair number of visitors and about 40 companies attending. Noticed Privat Bank is looking for an administrator for the Managing Director. The former Director is now the Mayor of Kyiv. Candidates need to be fluent in both Russian and English, the latter at an advanced business level.

The Employment Fair is open 4 times /year and a good place to look for any expat who might be speaking Russian fluently after years in Ukraine. As for most countries, the road to a good job in a foreign country often depends on language skills.  Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 05:21 AM »

The Employment Fair this weekend had a fair number of visitors and about 40 companies attending. Noticed Privat Bank is looking for an administrator for the Managing Director. The former Director is now the Mayor of Kyiv. Candidates need to be fluent in both Russian and English, the latter at an advanced business level.

The Employment Fair is open 4 times /year and a good place to look for any expat who might be speaking Russian fluently after years in Ukraine. As for most countries, the road to a good job in a foreign country often depends on language skills.  Smiley


At the risk of bringing up the language issue on this forum. I thought the Ukrainian government was trying
to encourage the use of the Ukrainian language in all spheres of industry and that while Russian may be the
de facto language in business - to keep pace with changing times, many top jobs would require some
fluency in Ukrainian.
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 08:03 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 08:15 PM »

The Employment Fair this weekend had a fair number of visitors and about 40 companies attending. Noticed Privat Bank is looking for an administrator for the Managing Director. The former Director is now the Mayor of Kyiv. Candidates need to be fluent in both Russian and English, the latter at an advanced business level.

The Employment Fair is open 4 times /year and a good place to look for any expat who might be speaking Russian fluently after years in Ukraine. As for most countries, the road to a good job in a foreign country often depends on language skills.  Smiley


At the risk of bringing up the language issue on this forum. I thought the Ukrainian government was trying
to encourage the use of the Ukrainian language in all spheres of industry and that while Russian may be the
de facto language in business - to keep pace with changing times, many top jobs would require some
fluency in Ukrainian.


You are correct. My impression is that many companies now just take it from granted that you also master Ukrainian in addition to Russian. (Use Ukrainian in offcial correspondence with governmental agencies etc, and use Russian in correspondence with companies in the Russian Federation).

The official language is now Ukrainian. I heard about an engineering student who had to change and redo a large technical flow chart because it was in Russian instead of Ukrainian. In order to graduate and pass the exam in Kyiv, it had to be in Ukrainian. In the past it would have been ok with Russian text. needless to say, the student had to spend a lot of time correcting this since it was a complex flowchart for the final exam.   

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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 02:24 AM »

What the government requires legally and what society will actually do are sometimes not the same.

As far as the language is concerned there are two distinct issues:

First, the government and (to a lesser extent) society are struggling to establish their cultural and political separation from Russia, hence the push of Ukrainian as the official language.

Second, when it comes to communication, especially for people and businesses that are moving or operating internationally, the business decision becomes one of efficiency.  Simply, Russian has far more utility than Ukrainian.

There are expats pulling down $100-350K/per year who speak no Ukrainian and do not attempt to use Russian except for social pleasantries.  Their companies often have English as the company standard for business and documentation requirements regardless of the local laws where they are operating.  Of course the contract must be executed according to local law which sometimes requires it to be in a particular language.  However, the contract and all supporting documentation must include English versions, notes, comments, etc. for understanding of other personnel who may come into contact with the client or situation.  Something I find amusing is that, for the most part, the people who are so insistent that an expat MUST learn the language are generally in the lower levels of business here. 

So, no - learning the Ukrainian language is not necessary. If you are intending to be buried here someday, you might want to take it up as a hobby and practical consideration since your English (assuming you are an English-speaking expat) will let you accomplish quite a bit in business and travel.  But, if you intend to hang around Eastern Europe for a few years or so, picking up Russian gives you functional utility as well as some conversational options with about 250-odd million folks who don't speak Ukrainian.


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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 12:54 PM »

What the government requires legally and what society will actually do are sometimes not the same.

As far as the language is concerned there are two distinct issues:

First, the government and (to a lesser extent) society are struggling to establish their cultural and political separation from Russia, hence the push of Ukrainian as the official language.

Second, when it comes to communication, especially for people and businesses that are moving or operating internationally, the business decision becomes one of efficiency.  Simply, Russian has far more utility than Ukrainian.

There are expats pulling down $100-350K/per year who speak no Ukrainian and do not attempt to use Russian except for social pleasantries.  Their companies often have English as the company standard for business and documentation requirements regardless of the local laws where they are operating.  Of course the contract must be executed according to local law which sometimes requires it to be in a particular language.  However, the contract and all supporting documentation must include English versions, notes, comments, etc. for understanding of other personnel who may come into contact with the client or situation.  Something I find amusing is that, for the most part, the people who are so insistent that an expat MUST learn the language are generally in the lower levels of business here. 

So, no - learning the Ukrainian language is not necessary. If you are intending to be buried here someday, you might want to take it up as a hobby and practical consideration since your English (assuming you are an English-speaking expat) will let you accomplish quite a bit in business and travel.  But, if you intend to hang around Eastern Europe for a few years or so, picking up Russian gives you functional utility as well as some conversational options with about 250-odd million folks who don't speak Ukrainian.




Ed, Here is my 2 cents worth to the language discussion.

For Ukrainians:
Ukrainian language is official and it is being tought in the schools. The younger generation will over time help making the language more wide spread because of this. It is supported by the government and it is also a matter of national pride. The fact that Russian is widely spoken in the sreeets and elsewhere is true, but the fact is that most Ukrainians already speak both languages. Street signs etc, is also being changed to read Ukrainian. In Odessa the name change is evident in Odessa with one or two "s" - Russian vs. Ukrainian writing.

For expats in Ukraine:
To try to learn both languages are too ambitious for an expat. One have more than enough with Russian which is also more widely spoken in Eastern Europe. I agree with your recommendation that for expats, Russian language is the one to learn.

For Ukrainians and language requirement:
I still claim that it is an anticiaption that Ukrainians will speak both Russian and Ukrainian and use it appropriately in correspondence with Ukrainian authorities as now reuired, etc. Then a lot of companies would like to see useful foreign language skills too, like Polish, German, or English, etc.

Foreigners making $100K - $350K with no Russian language skills???:
The number of expats in this situation are few and far between in Ukraine. Some investment bankers would be able to make this, but even they will be at a handicap not knowing any Russian. There are so many Russians and Ukrainians living in the US or Britain who have the experience to fill such jobs in Ukraine and speak both Russian and English fluently. I think the high earners among expats who doesn't bother to learn Russian are a "dying" breed.  :oThey will notice that the competition will be tougher with new bright minds taking over with multilanguage skills.  Smiley 
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