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« on: September 02, 01:53 AM »

Interesting,Admirable,Threatening or Downright Dangerous Huh Huh

New Russian world order: the five principles 
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7591610.stm
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev lays out the five principles

In the aftermath of the Georgian conflict, the Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has laid down five principles that he says will guide Russian foreign policy.

The new Moscow rules are not a blueprint for a new "Cold War". That was a worldwide ideological and economic struggle. This is much more about defending national interests.

Going back to the 19th Century?

The principles, with their references to "privileged interests" and the protection of Russian citizens, would probably seem rather obvious to Russian leaders of the 19th Century. They would seem rather mild to Stalin and his successors, who saw the Soviet Union extending communism across the globe.

In some ways, we are going back to the century before last, with a nationalistic Russia very much looking out for its own interests, but open to co-operation with the outside world on issues where it is willing to be flexible.
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4. Protect citizens

"Our unquestionable priority is to protect the life and dignity of our citizens, wherever they are. We will also proceed from this in pursuing our foreign policy. We will also protect the interest of our business community abroad. And it should be clear to everyone that if someone makes aggressive forays, he will get a response."

Protecting its citizens: The key phrase here is "wherever they are". This was the basis on which Russia went to war in South Ossetia and it contains within it the potential for future interventions - over Crimea, for example, populated by a majority Russian-background population yet owned by Ukraine only since 1954. If Ukraine looked set to join Nato, would Russia claim the protection of its "citizens" there?


 
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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 02:19 AM »

Nothing more than what the UK should do for it's foreign interests and citizens to be honest.  It maybe we would go about it in a different way................but maybe not.

We now have another simmering feud with Argentina over the Falkands as we are wanting to extend it's territorial waters.  Why? - because of the oil and gas reserves under the sea there.  That could get messy (again) on a territorial (Argentina v UK) front in the next 3 years.

I don't see it as a threat to be honest, or worrying.  Nobody can say they do not understand Russian foreign policy now - much better than to have to guess at it.  For some reason people fear change and/or the unknown and this is now no longer an unknown.

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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 01:01 PM »

[24.09.2008 16:55]  by Paul Goble
http://www.unian.net/eng/news/news-274792.html

Moscow can now offer Russian citizenship to eight million Ukrainians

Under the terms of new legislation nominally intended to promote the repatriation of "Russian compatriots" and thus help solve Russia`s demographic problems, Moscow can now offer Russian Federation citizenship to more than eight million Ukrainians, even though the Ukrainian constitution prohibits dual citizenship.     

Had Moscow taken this step six months ago, Verkhovna Rada deputy Kseniya Lyapina told Kyiv`s "Delo", "it might have been possible to consider this as part of Russia`s domestic policy." But after Moscow`s invocation of its right to protect Russian citizens in South Ossetia, these changes look like "preparation for aggressive actions".

 According to that newspaper, "those who want to receive a Russian passport do not need to live on the territory of the [Russian] Federation for five years, provide evidence of the source of their incomes or demonstrate a knowledge of Russian" if they are former citizens of the USSR and were born on the territory of Russia.

 If Ukrainians were to give up their Ukrainian citizenship in order to take Russian citizenship and then move to the Russian Federation, as some demographers and political analysts have suggested is the reason behind the new rules, that would not necessarily create a problem for Kyiv, especially since the number of those likely to do so would not be large.

 But if because of these simplified procedures, more Ukrainians take Russian citizenship without giving up their Ukrainian citizenship in violation of the Ukrainian constitution and then remain in Ukraine, Moscow would likely be able to exploit them in the same way it used the presence of dual citizens of Abkhazia and South Ossetia to justify military action.
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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 03:12 PM »

I don't see why they would have to do this "to justify military action" as this article states - half of Crimea holds Russian Passports or is of Russian decent.

In fact in Crimea, Ukraine has been handing out Ukrainian passports to Russian citizens in Crimea, who now doubt have not handed in their Russian Passports, so Ukraine has already provided them with the reasoning. 

The Minister stating this is obviously "not up to speed" with what Ukraine has been doing in Crimea despite it was major news only 3 or 4 weeks ago.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 08:35 PM »

Russia must modernize its armed forces and upgrade its nuclear deterrent, in part by building a new air and space defense network, the president said Friday.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/09/26/russia.military.ap/index.html
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 01:46 AM »


4. Protect citizens

"Our unquestionable priority is to protect the life and dignity of our citizens, wherever they are. We will also proceed from this in pursuing our foreign policy. We will also protect the interest of our business community abroad. And it should be clear to everyone that if someone makes aggressive forays, he will get a response."

Isn't this the basis of the Bush doctrine? Guess the Russians are just copy-cats  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 11:20 AM »

It`s a Shame the British Government did Not take this Stance for it`s Citizens in Zimbabwe, instead we tried to Bribe Mugabe,when Jack Straw gave him £6 Million Protection Money in Feb 2002
Britain did in Fact Pledge £36 Million
"Despite Mugabe's long history of broken pledges, Jack Straw agreed that Britain will donate £36 million to finance the buy-out of white-owned farms. Other western countries will offer a further £30million-plus. Through this funding, hundreds of thousands of impoverished black Zimbabweans will receive plots of land. A good thing too. It cannot be right that 70 per cent of the best land is owned by the white minority, who comprise less than 0.5 per cent of the population. "Copyright Peter Tatchell 2001.

The Rest is History.

During this period of time we were taking Action in the Balkans with Our Armies,which Many may say was None of our Business.
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 07:21 AM »

I just read on Russia today, Gorbachev is trying to organize an "independent Democratic party of Russia, so they can take part in the 2011 elections.  Do you think he has a chance of pulling that one off?
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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 09:02 AM »

I just read on Russia today, Gorbachev is trying to organize an "independent Democratic party of Russia, so they can take part in the 2011 elections.  Do you think he has a chance of pulling that one off?

Absolutely no chance. Even if he were well respected in Russia(which he's not) the Kremlin propaganda machine would soon put him down.
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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 09:23 AM »

I totally agree on that one!  Gorby wouldn't have a chance
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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 10:25 AM »

I just read on Russia today, Gorbachev is trying to organize an "independent Democratic party of Russia, so they can take part in the 2011 elections.  Do you think he has a chance of pulling that one off?

No
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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 12:17 PM »

I just read on Russia today, Gorbachev is trying to organize an "independent Democratic party of Russia, so they can take part in the 2011 elections.  Do you think he has a chance of pulling that one off?

Nyet, I say, nyet!

What happened to Garry Kasparov? Nyet!
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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 12:24 PM »

I just read on Russia today, Gorbachev is trying to organize an "independent Democratic party of Russia, so they can take part in the 2011 elections.  Do you think he has a chance of pulling that one off?


What happened to Garry Kasparov?


When I lived in Moscow, Kasparov was fairly frequently on TV (all things considered).  From what he said, I would not consider him a political force (more of a dissident)  and maybe "one or two sandwiches short of a picnic."
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