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« on: October 04, 06:15 AM »

Following the excitement of the Ukrainian elections which has produced yet another stalemate in the Rada ( ok own up - who voted against all ) yawn !!!
Its seems now is a good time to subject you all to a bit a Cold War trivia ( well what do you know - I never knew that ) sort of info which you will either find rivetting or bore the socks off you ( depending on your point of view )
We are all familiar with the major players of Cold War, namely the KGB, CIA, the Starsi, MI5, MI6, George Smiley and those cold war warriors who operated behind enemy lines ( the Iron Curtain ) like BRIXMIS.

But when the chips are down - the balloon goes up, diplomacy has failed and the United States moves to DEFCON 2 with Ecocks and his Soviet counterparts making their way to the ICBM silos outside Kiev - our brave boys and girls of the Royal Observer Corps will be having their final briefing at the village pub ( the local Rose & Crown ) before bidding a final farewell to loved ones before departing to their underground ROC Posts ( 3 man bunkers ) in some lonely windswept field somewhere in England.

The role of the ROC:

On the 15th June 1955 it was announced in the House of Commons that `steps are being taken for the ROC to give warning of and to measure radioactivity in the event of air attacks in a future war.' At the time, this new duty was considered only secondary to the Corps' primary function of aircraft identification. The ROC was chosen for the role  Posts were clustered into 3's and 4's for communications purposes and it was envisaged that group HQ would pass the information received from each post to Sector Operations Centres where scientists would forecast which areas would be in danger from nuclear fall-out allowing civilian and military authorities to decide what services (ports, rail, airfields etc.) could remain operational.


Secrets of Underground Britain, a retrospective look at the Royal Observer Corps ROC posts today:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/LWcsOz2_XpY&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/LWcsOz2_XpY&rel=1</a>


Secret British government bunker in Essex:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/F_NfT9MCyK4&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/F_NfT9MCyK4&rel=1</a>

Secret Regional government bunker in London, disguised under a block of flats:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/8zc0eqYseAc&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/8zc0eqYseAc&rel=1</a>


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/8zc0eqYseAc&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/8zc0eqYseAc&rel=1</a>

Now - I've set the scene - the story of the UK's Warning and Monitoring System against the Soviet aggressor can be told, heres the UKWMO & ROC posts in action - the UK MOD civil defense made two films, the first ones in 1962 and another version in 1971:


Sound an Alarm Part 1:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/RsCJMYgFNuU&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/RsCJMYgFNuU&rel=1</a>

Sound an Alarm Part2:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/An3ctClI_z4&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/An3ctClI_z4&rel=1</a>

Sound an Alarm Part3:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/OboFZB4jAXs&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/OboFZB4jAXs&rel=1</a>

Sound an Alarm Part4:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/L8tucFGoJMQ&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/L8tucFGoJMQ&rel=1</a>

The 1962 version of Sound an Alarm, also in colour.

Sound an Alarm 1962 version - Part1:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/nK2l7fVyVUQ&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/nK2l7fVyVUQ&rel=1</a>

Sound an Alarm 1962 version - Part2:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/YIiKI-CntiY&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/YIiKI-CntiY&rel=1</a>

Sound an Alarm 1962 version - Part3:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/s4hZACmaXD8&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/s4hZACmaXD8&rel=1</a>

Sound an Alarm 1962 version - Part4:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/akYJTQIUFwc&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/akYJTQIUFwc&rel=1</a>

Sound an Alarm 1962 version - Part5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0OgWrjOWaM

Sound an Alarm 1962 version - Part6:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzidKkwNk6c



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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 07:56 AM »


Me and my "counterparts?" WHOA dude, I was never an operative for the elites, just a grunt.

I would be like the guy in Blackhawk Down who specialized in making coffee.

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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 09:39 AM »

For those of you who want to know more about the Royal Observer Corps during the Cold War.
Heres their recruitment film on youtube - its in two parts.


Forewarned is forearmed - part one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJpJgQpE1H4

Forewarned is forearmed - part two:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O9dxx7RBP0


Graph showing triangulation points of ROC post clusters covering the south coast of England,
namely Wiltshire and Hampshire:



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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 10:24 AM »

More interesting UK government films on youtube about what would have happened if the Cold War turned hot in England. A timewarp back to the 1980's when their were genuine alerts between the west and the Soviet Union.

Imagine yourself back in the 1980's - your sitting comfortably at home in England watching tv - when suddenly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1GqzosWoVc&mode=related&search=

I suppose we can all count ourselves lucky that the Berlin wall fell and the Soviet Union collapsed.
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 06:20 AM »

In case you are wondering who BRIXMIS are - its an abreviation for the British Commanders in Chief mission to the Soviet Forces in Germany.

BRIXMIS had been set up on 16th September 1946 under an agreement between the chiefs of staff of the British and Soviet forces in Germany, known as the Robertson-Malinin Agreement. This called for the reciprocal exchange of liaison missions in order to foster good working relations between the military
authorities in their respective zones of occupation; by the 1980s the reciprocal Soviet mission in the former British Occupation Zone, known as SOXMIS, was based at Bunde.
These missions continued long after the establishment of the East and West Germany governments and were operational right upto the re-unification of Germany on 2nd October 1990.
Their official role was to liase between the Soviet and Allied missions in germany but in practice it was a golden opportunity to gather intelligence on the Soviet and East German military in East Germany and act as an early warning system of any Warsaw Pact build up behind the iron curtain.

The Parallel history site has a good write up on Briximis at:
http://www.php.isn.ethz.ch/collections/colltopic.cfm?lng=en&id=27752

Better still their was a BBC radio program on BRIXMIS with interviews of many former serving officers on the BRIXMIS tour.
http://hfsurfing.googlepages.com/BRIXMIS.mp3
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 10:44 AM »

During last months naval exercises by Russia's red banner fleet in the Bay of Biscay. Some former
members of the Royal Observer Corps were to be seen checking out their ROC posts which have been
sadly neglected and in many cases either stripped or vandalised over the years.
Here we see one ROC bunker in Norfolk that still has its Orlit post - for spotting those TU95 Bear &
TU-22M Backfire strategic bombers - with the ROC post nearby to evacuate to, in the event of an airstrike.




The ROC Post monitoring room - in a fully operational ROC Post at the height of the Cold War.


External view of a well kept ROC Post with a rare radio comms mast


A nice film clip of Russia's TU95 Bear taking off on a North Atlantic patrol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4tmP33sFD0&feature=related

Heres a film clip of the TU-22M Backfire jet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOiFlKRxE1U

Not that we think that Russia's upto anything other than returning to their old patrol grounds.




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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 09:31 AM »

Ever wondered when the Cold War ended.
Well heres when it officially ended in Britain and we could all ( hopefully ) forget about the 4 minute
warning.

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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 07:23 PM »

Expats who have been following my thread on the Royal Observer Corps during the Cold War
might be wondering. What would become of the government while those brave men and
women of the ROC, make for their various ROC posts, dotted about the british
countryside.
Fear not, those legendary british leaders of the Cold War and other vital elements of
Her Majesties Govt, would have departed by train from London along the old great western
railway line past Swindon - and off down a secret spur of the GWR line in Box tunnel to the
Underground headquarters complex variously known as Turnstile or Burlington.
Here the Prime minister and other top brass both military and civilian, would sit out World
War III - keeping in touch with other regional, seats of government bunkers dotted about
the UK.  Shocked

Following the end of the Cold War, the BBC were given a rare glimpse of the underground
complex at Corsham and this is their report:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/underground_city/

Although its existance was supposed to be a closely guarded secret during the Cold War,
MP's sought to disclose the workings of the UK's underground headquarters and it was
featured on a British TV-AM report back in 1984.

TV - AM report on Government Bunker:
Points of interest - a nice retro MOD Police car of the period.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnBljGkMLVM&NR=1

Now to bring you upto date heres a recent Channel 4 report on the Corsham
UK Government bunker:

Points of interest - a beautifully updated MOD police vehicle with officer once again,
hassling the ace reporter.
More points of interest - watch out for the Campervan driving past in the background,
now I wonder who that could be, as if you didn't know.  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrsN1xuvVp4&NR=1


Finally what was the name of that pub - why the Rose & Crown of course, cheers.   Grin

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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 11:57 PM »

Heres some recollections from a member of the Royal Observer Corps, about his Observer duties.
While serving in a ROC Post during the Cold War. We must remember that the Corps were
part-timers, much like the British Territorial Army, who lived at home and persued civilian
occupations. Only attending Corps duties at weekends and during training camps.

Question: How long were you expected to stay down there during a shift?

Well, that all depended on a few different things. Basically it worked like this... On receiving the call-out
from Sector Control, initially as many members of the Post as possible would turn up on-site. We would
then set rotating shifts, according to how many people were available, the basic rule being that
three Observers were needed to man the Post at all times.

Upon entering the ROC Post, we would ensure that all equipment is working properly. Sector HQ would
send a confidence signal to the most important equipment, the WB1400 receiver, to ensure its working ok.

WB1400 Confidence signal:

http://www.ringbell.co.uk/ukwmo/tick1400.mp3

This was in the period known as Transition to War (TTW). The premise of which was that there
would be a longish build up to actual "war", rather than a "bolt from the blue".

If Sector HQ wanted to send us an important message or give us the 'heads up' to a likely attack,
then the call signal alert message would be heard.

WB1400 - call signal alert message:

http://www.ringbell.co.uk/ukwmo/call1400.mp3

Essentially this meant it was like a game of Russian Roulette. You could never be sure if you were
the crew that was going to be down there when the WB1400 gave the Attack Warning Red, at
which point it was time to close the Post hatch and wait.

Attack Warining Red message:

http://www.ringbell.co.uk/ukwmo/alert1400.mp3

At the same time Sector HQ would send out a general alert warning signal to all WB1400 and older
WB400 receivers located in Police stations, fire stations, post offices, pubs, council offices, etc.
Here the recipients would ( in most cases ) alert the public using air raid sirens.

The public alarm system during the Cold War:

http://www.ringbell.co.uk/ukwmo/distrib.htm

General attack warning signal:

http://www.ringbell.co.uk/ukwmo/attackwarn.mp3

Finally once the danger had passed - Sector HQ would send the 'all clear signal' to all
WB1400 receivers including the ROC posts.

All Clear signal message:

http://www.ringbell.co.uk/ukwmo/allclear.mp3

Another question: From what I've read about ROC, it seems that communications
were via normal telephone lines, and many bunkers do have telegraph poles.

Each Post was part of a "cluster" of three, one of these Posts was known as a Master Post,
and they would have had a Radio to ensure communication with Group in the event of the loss
of land-line communication. You can tell which Posts were Master Posts as they have what was
known as a "Top-Hat" on the small louvred ventilation shaft. This covered the co-axial link to
the pneumatic aerial and the the link to the pump that raised and lowered said aerial, as well
as a connection point for the petrol-electric set (a generator) that charged the batteries
down in the Post.

Some Posts had exposed telephone lines, others were buried. The idea being that those that
had exposed land-lines would have had them "mole trenched" in the Transition to War period,
but I'm not sure that would have actually happened.
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 09:11 PM »

During the last half of the twentieth century Britain, along with many parts of the world,
faced possible annihilation in a nuclear confrontation.
While the population at large were being advised to hide under the tables and cover their
windows with sheets, the BBC was preparing for post-Armageddon.
A string of secret bunkers across the country, many of them used during war time days, were
converted into subterranean studios.
Play lists were drawn up, presenters given scripted announcements and producers issued with
secret sets of keys.
If anyone was still alive to listen ‘the beeb’ would be there to entertain and inform them.
Mike Thomson goes in search of the hidden bunkers, the people told to staff them and a secret safe
said to contain the unreleased running orders for what was to be called Radio 10.

Interesting Cold War story about these secret broadcasting stations ( requires Real Player ) to listen:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/rams/document_20080128.ram
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 04:19 AM »

Moving further on from my last post - on the role of the BBC in the wake of a nuclear attack
on the UK, following an out break of war with the Soviet Union.

The British National Archives have recently released documents, including transcripts of scripts
to be read out by BBC newsreaders on radio and television in the event of a nuclear attack
on the UK. The government and the BBC worked together in the 1970's to produce a
script of useful advice, that would helpful to the general public in the event of such an
attack and to reassure the public that the BBC was still their to help them.

BBC Cold War scripts revealed:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7648042.stm

BBC News item on the nuclear confrontation broadcasts:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7650145.stm

 
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