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« Reply #15 on: June 25, 02:30 PM »

One other observation about workplace injuries in Ukraine is that, as far as I can tell, there doesn't seem to be a culture of ''blame and claim'' here. 

If I'd have injured myself in an office back home, HR would have been immediately upon me to check whether I'd followed the Health & Safety procedures, who is to blame, and worrying that I'd sue the company for injuring myself.  I'm not the type to take advantage of that anyway, but it was completely refreshing not to have an employer bending over backwards to protect itself from being sued.

(When I explained the concept of H & S with colleagues recently, they found it really funny and stupid that someone can be hired to do a job but can't be trusted not to trip over a cable without reading about how to avoid injury in a H&S leaflet - especially since I went and got myself injured while being H&S aware ;-) )

The longer I live here, the more I ask myself - who is really over-nannyed and censored by higher powers - us or them? ;-)
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« Reply #16 on: June 26, 12:49 AM »

Health and Safety does exist here, but like most minor officialdom - 200 UAH and everything was ok.  There are some "ambulance chasers" here in Odessa but the do not advertise their presence very well and to be quite honest they do not really seem to know how to chase an ambulance....even if they did, for 2000 UAH the judge would say they had no case.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #17 on: June 27, 02:29 AM »

Central Asia's child Aids tragedy
 
By Natalia Antelava

Central Asia correspondent, BBC News 

Doctors who treated Bekhruzbek are now accused of infecting him with HIV
Dilfusa wept as she rocked her baby, Bekhruzbek, to sleep.

She had taken her son to hospital near their village in southern Kyrgyzstan because he had heat stroke.

Eight months later he was diagnosed with HIV. "I thought my life was over," she said.

The doctors who treated Bekhruzbek are now on trial, accused of infecting him.

There are 78 other babies who have contracted HIV inside hospitals in Kyrgyzstan. Three of them have died, and new cases continue to emerge.

Most of their parents do not want to talk - so great is the stigma.

"My husband left me, he is in Russia now. The night when we got the test results he slept on the other side of the bed. I accidentally touched him and he kicked me," said Dilfusa.

Dilfusa, in her early twenties, is now also HIV positive. Like 16 other mothers in Kyrgyzstan, she contracted the virus through breastfeeding.

It is rare, but it happens - yet no-one warned her, she says, that she should not have nursed.

Fourteen medical workers in Kyrgyzstan have been accused of negligence, malpractice and corruption.

The prosecution alleges that doctors charged parents for equipment which they had used again and again.


Crumbling system


But it is not just individual doctors, it is the entire medical system in Kyrgyzstan and across Central Asia that is on trial.

This system is part of the region's Soviet legacy.

Soviet healthcare - just like much in the USSR - was huge, centrally managed and inflexible.

  The situation in hospitals is similar everywhere, it just happened that it was discovered in Shymkent

Bahit Tumeneva,
former Kazakh health official

Doctors followed the orders of the Communist Party, but they were well paid and had plenty of resources.

As the USSR fell apart, so did its health system. Hospitals lost funding, many doctors left for better paid jobs overseas, leaving the crumbling medical system unprepared for new challenges like HIV/Aids.

As the international community began to pour tens of millions of dollars into HIV/Aids prevention, very little was spent on reforming the health system itself.

Donors are beginning to realise that this was a mistake.

"I think trying to address the problem of HIV/Aids without investing in health systems is inefficient use of resources," says Gabit Islmailov of the World Health Organisation.

"I think this is a realisation that is coming to the mind of many donor agencies."

But it has come too late for the growing number of children already affected, and not only in Kyrgyzstan.

Drug users

Across the border lies Central Asia's richest nation, Kazakhstan.

It boasts one of the former Soviet Union's most successful economies. But away from the buzz of the capital, the country's health system is in ruins.


 

One year ago, an unprecedented trial took place in the southern city of Shymkent.

Twenty-one medical professionals were found guilty of infecting more than 70 babies with HIV. The number of infected children now stands at 149.

Most of the babies were infected through blood transfusions as doctors made money by prescribing unnecessary transfusions and selling blood to parents.

Court documents show one child received more than 50 transfusions during just one treatment.

It is not clear where the infected blood came from. But the prosecution suggested drug users could be one possible source.

They are the biggest HIV risk group in Central Asia. In Shymkent three drug users said it had been standard practice for them to give blood for money, and that when they did they were not checked for HIV.

The government says this is no longer the case and that all blood donors are now carefully screened, but the problem, some believe, is that the underlying cause of the outbreak still exists.

"Corruption is a particularly dangerous infection for society," says Bahit Tumeneva, a former senior Kazakh health official who left her job several years ago to protest against corruption in the medical sector.

"The doctors have to bribe in order to get jobs or to get a place for their children in school, and then they start taking bribes too. When the power of law is substituted by the power of money, all of us become hostages to situations like the one in Shymkent," she says.

Ms Tumeneva, like many, is convinced that the Shymkent and Osh outbreaks are part of a larger regional trend.

"The situation in hospitals is similar everywhere. It just happened that it was discovered in Shymkent," she says.

Wasted lessons

More than a year after he was first diagnosed with HIV, two-year-old Syatt now lives with his grandmother, Salima, in the outskirts of Shymkent.

 
Both Syatt and Ruslana face an uncertain future

The government provided accommodation for 10 of the 149 families. Their houses stand on the edge of a landfill. The air reeks of rotting rubbish, and their neighbours want them out.

"When the neighbours found out that Syatt was ill, there was a big scandal - there was even fighting. They wanted to evict us," she said.

When Syatt was seven months old, Salima took him to hospital to check a swelling on his knee. It was inside the hospital, she says, that he got sick with pneumonia and doctors administered several transfusions

"I'm heartbroken. None of our relatives want to know us. They told me to abandon him, to put him in an orphanage. But it's not his fault, it's the state's fault and the doctors' fault," she said.

As she speaks, Syatt is playing with his only friend, Ruslana.

She is another of the HIV babies. Salima hopes that maybe one day the two will get married. No healthy girl will ever marry my grandson, she tells me.

But Ruslana is already very sick and only one stage away from getting full-blown Aids.

Fifteen babies have died of Aids in Shymkent, killed in places that are built to cure.

Salima has heard of the new outbreak in Osh.

Syatt and Ruslana's tragedy, she says, is all the more pointless because elsewhere the painful lessons of Shymkent have already been wasted.
 
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« Reply #18 on: June 27, 10:01 AM »


Re: Ukrainian Healthcare

http://www.kyivpost.com/nation/29162/
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« Reply #19 on: July 02, 10:40 AM »

EU plans cross-border healthcare 
 
The healthcare plan is part of an EU "social Europe" package
The European Commission has unveiled a healthcare package designed to make it easier for patients to get medical treatment elsewhere in the EU.

Under the proposals, patients would not have to get their doctor's approval for non-hospital care abroad.

The European Parliament and EU governments must approve the rules for them to take effect.

Patients would be able to claim up to the amount their treatment would have cost in their home country.

The Commission's draft directive is part of a wider "renewed social agenda" package aimed at clarifying citizens' rights in line with European Court of Justice rulings. The package also includes measures to improve access to jobs and fight discrimination and poverty.

A Commission healthcare spokesman, Nicholas Fahy, said the aim was to clarify patients' rights to treatment abroad, and the Commission was not introducing new rights.

In a landmark ruling in 2006, the European Court said the UK's National Health Service should reimburse a woman for a hip replacement operation she had in France.

The woman, Yvonne Watts, won the argument that patients facing "undue delays" in the queue for operations should be entitled to treatment in other EU countries. She paid £3,900 for the operation.

No free 'health tourism'

The Commission says patients are entitled to be reimbursed for treatment that their home health authority would normally provide. The NHS would not be expected to pay for spa treatments in Germany, for example.   
 It's exactly to make the rules clearer after all the court cases that the Commission has been working on new laws



Mark Mardell's Europe

A UK Department of Health spokesperson said the Commission's proposals "will be subject to change during future negotiations".

"The government is clear that health tourism will not be funded by the NHS," the spokesperson continued.

"We are also absolutely committed to ensuring that, where UK patients choose to travel abroad for care, the NHS retains the ability to decide what care it will fund. Equally, anyone from other member states travelling to the UK specifically for healthcare will have to pay the full NHS cost of treatment upfront."

Currently, only 1% of healthcare budgets are spent on cross-border healthcare and the number of people seeking treatment abroad is very small, the Commission says.

The new package still allows member states to require that their citizens get prior authorisation for hospital treatment abroad. But such authorisations would be on a case-by-case basis, and states would have to prove there was a specific problem justifying their limitation of a patient's right to foreign healthcare.

If the cost of treatment abroad exceeds the cost of similar treatment at home, the patient will have to pay the difference, under the Commission's scheme.

Currently the European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) provides emergency care across the EU for patients who fall ill while abroad. It only applies to those who have health insurance at home.

The new scheme is designed to help in cases where the nearest hospital or specialist clinic is in a neighbouring country, or where a particular treatment can be provided faster or more expertly abroad.

The package is seen as an effort to give patients greater freedom in choosing where they get treatment, and to answer critics who say the EU is too remote from ordinary citizens' concerns.

Mr Fahy said it could take three years for the draft directive to become law through the EU co-decision process and "there is much discussion yet to be had over the details".

 
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« Reply #20 on: July 02, 12:17 PM »

A few years ago we brought a team of paramedics from UK to visit a number of hospitals in various regions of Ukraine. There was a comment from the leader of the team that I recall was that the standards of care given by the hospital staffs was genearlly much more caring and personalised than that being offered by the UK National Health Service. !!!
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« Reply #21 on: July 02, 01:32 PM »

A few years ago we brought a team of paramedics from UK to visit a number of hospitals in various regions of Ukraine. There was a comment from the leader of the team that I recall was that the standards of care given by the hospital staffs was genearlly much more caring and personalised than that being offered by the UK National Health Service. !!!

Superb! Exactly my point as can be seen in the second post of this thread!
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« Reply #22 on: July 02, 01:36 PM »

It's good to hear that they noticed a huge difference - I wonder if it made any difference to the way they approached patients when they went back to the UK

I'm practically in love with my doctor by this stage, I can't ever recall being treated so wonderfully and with such dedication by a man with no other motive  Wink  Grin  Grin  I'll be devastated when the cast comes off next Friday ;-)
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« Reply #23 on: July 02, 01:50 PM »

All the best for Friday, Christy! Hope it all goes well for you. Look on the bright side - at least you get to see him on the day!
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