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Author Topic: Russian Black Sea Fleet asked to leave Sevastopol by 2017  (Read 451 times)
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« on: June 20, 06:49 AM »

The Russian Black Sea Navy Fleet will be asked to leave Sevastopol and Ukraine by 2017. Who is kicking the Russian navy out just like happened in Georgia earlier, President Yuschenko of course - a man of action. He has just asked the RADA to write a bill and pass it by July 20th, 2008 (yes this year!) that will request the Russians to finally leave Ukrainian territory by 2017.  Grin
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 07:30 AM »

Well, their lease is up, so it seems only natural.

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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 08:13 AM »

Well, their lease is up, so it seems only natural.


Not quite so - the Russians want to renew the lease and stay forever. Major political event paving the ground for NATO. No NATO membership for a country with Russian troops on the ground.
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 09:14 AM »

Wanting to renew has nothing to do with it being up.  The lease has always been scheduled for ending in 2017 and the politicians have made it an issue to begin talking about non-extension or renewal for the last 2-3 years.  Over is over.  Sure they want a new lease but maybe by 2017 they will have Sochi or a new facility established.  Also the Russians have caught some heat for not turning over navigational beacons, lighthouses, radar stations, etc. per the terms of the original agreement. 

Still, if they are smart they will be jockeying for political power in subsequent Rada elections and hoping for more friendly administrations over the next few years.  The way Ukraine has elections, they have plenty of opportunities to get a more favorable reception to their requests these next few years.
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 10:33 AM »

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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 04:50 AM »

The countdown clock for the Russians to hand over the Sevastopol navy bases to Ukraine has finally now started ticking.  Grin The official date the Russians have to leave is May 27th, 2017. Ukrainian officials, knowing the Russians well, have said that Russia need to start planning the withdrawal early on since it can take 1 year to move it all. Ukraine has stressed that no extensions will be given, the lease will not be renewed and the action is now supported by a new bill approved in Rada. Everything has to be vacated by May 27th, 2017!  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 05:22 AM »

That gives Russia 9 years to allow everything there of any assetable value to fall into a serious state of disrepair.  Not that it will be an issue to those in the Rada of course, I am sure there will be EC grants available for the reconstruction of the area and some of it will actually reach the region  Roll Eyes.

In the "grand scheme of things" however a small price to pay for NATO membership (if they can get it past the population of Ukraine and the political direction of Ukraine does not change in the next 9 years - at least 2 elections prior to this date) and EU membership (which seems to rely upon NATO membership even though it should not and nowhere does it state that it is a pre-requisite as both are two completely seperate organisations with completely seperate functions.........just ask Turkey who are an active NATO member country but cannot get into the EU for love or money).

With Ukraine (according to Ukrainian Government statistics (and therefore not necessarily accurate)) doing more business (at least "recordable business") with the EU than with Russia (who knows  Roll Eyes) and Russia also doing more business with the EU than with Ukraine, it defies common sense that Ukraine should not be afforded EU membership with or without NATO membership sooner rather than later.  I would expect, at the very least, in the autumn that they will receive their EU Associate Member Status, similar to Norway and Switzerland with the Russian Black Sea Fleet still in situ on Ukrainian soil, thus  defeating the arguement that NATO membership has to be a pre-requisite of EU membership as they will hold the same status as many who have not got Russian military hardware on their soil with regards to the EU.

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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 04:30 AM »

That gives Russia 9 years to allow everything there of any assetable value to fall into a serious state of disrepair.  Not that it will be an issue to those in the Rada of course, I am sure there will be EC grants available for the reconstruction of the area and some of it will actually reach the region  Roll Eyes.
I agree that could happen but did you notice that Sevastopol is now discussing with the Russians to make a deep sea port facility in the harbor? Why would the Russians be interested in making such an improvement to the port area when they will be leaving? It could be that only the Soviet style housing quarters for navy staff etc will have deferred maintence in the years to come, but those should be thorn down anyway. I trust real estate developers already is looking at Sevastopol. It will be a new Odesa!  Grin
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