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« on: March 16, 09:33 AM »

Went to change some money into Gr yesterday to be told that not a single bank or money exchange place in the city had any currency other than the USD.  Not believeing I spent 4 hours (in total) in the city yesterday and today trying to change Euro to Gr.  Not a chance!!

It seems, after 48 hours of TV coverage about the ever impending doom of the USD (which is not expected to recover until the end of 2008 according to American analyists) every man, woman and child in Odessa had swapped their dollars hidden under the bed into Euro, Sterling, Swiss Franc or Ukrainian Gr in the space of the last 48 hours to get rid of them before they depreciate in value from the artificial 5.05 they have been held at for far too long.

(Not being completely stupid I changed the USD in cash I had some weeks ago and will reassess buying back the dollar around November).

However, the banks told me they were expecting to have the same difficulties in the next few days also as people were turned away with their $ USD still in hand after all hand run out of other currency.

Just thought you'd like to know if you need a reasonable sum of Gr in the next few days as it will be hard to get, at least in Odessa  Smiley

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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 11:20 AM »

The US dollar is in terminal decline, mainly due to the Fed's mandate to fight off any risk of
the US economy falling into recession due to the subprime crisis and credit crunch. It also
has a mandate to fight off inflation but not if this risks the US ecomomy heading towards recession.
The Fed has already gone mad with interest rate cuts doing full percentage rate cuts.

Whether the US dollar will ever reverse from this steady decline is open to debate.  Huh
Some of the causes in the steady upward price in a barrel of oil is due to the steady decline in
the US dollar - as oil is always priced in US dollars.

The European Central Bank has only one mandate namely to control inflation - if the cost of goods
is going up then the ECB is likely to raise interest rates to fight it. If european companies feel
the pinch because of it - the ECB's answer is tough !!
So the Euro steadily appreciates in value but at a reduced rate, as GDP growth in the Euro zone
is slow and mutted.
The Eastern European currencies of Poland, the Czech Republic, etc have been steadily increasing
in value against Sterling, the dollar and even ( in some cases ) the Euro due to double digit
GDP growth in the Emerging Markets, that shows few signs of slowing down.
Believe it or not the British pound has been falling steadily against a basket of other european
currencies over the past 3 years, even though sterling has appreciated against the US dollar
to hover around £1 = $2 US dollars mark.
The Bank of England - has the same mandates as the Fed Reserve with the priority being to
stave off any risk of recession. Therefore UK interest rates have been falling gradually ( but never
more than quarter percentage cuts )  Lips sealed

The upshot of all this is - that all the hundreds of thousends of Poles who migrated to the UK
when Poland joined the EU on 1st May 2004 - when the British pound was worth 7 Polish Zloty.
Now find the same British pound is only worth 4.5 Polish Zloty.

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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 11:41 AM »

Your absolutely correct, as always John, but it cannot have come as any suprise to anyone - I read an article 18 months ago from one of my favoured financial forecasters, saying this would happen now (and told everyone here I knew at the time) and it has.

I changed all I had in cash USD several weeks ago into Euros (although the Euro too is an over-valued currency which I expect will be devalued over time). 

I must admit, as someone who does NOT NEED to earn massive interest on his money, I use my swiss bank account for savings, prefered to bonds or shares as there is not lock in time (as with government bonds) to get the cash should I need to urgently and not much flutuation in the Swiss Franc (unlike shares).  Probably more steady than gold in the long run.

I will however, be selling the next house in Euros instead of USD like I normally do and sending the excess cash I dont need to Switzerland again.  Will look for a few underperforming shares with potential too (having played the stockmarket for 10 years or so with reasonable success Wink).

Maybe I should do a weekly "Shares to Watch" thread with associated support for any opinions I may have......would not want anyone to take a "punt" on anything on my say so after all  Cheesy Undecided Lips sealed

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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 02:45 PM »

Why not use your USD in Ukraine? Why bother exchanging to Hryvnia? USD is widely accepted as the wrold currency it is.  Smiley  The exchange rate has only dropped from 5.05 to 5.00 in Kyiv (as the best rates around) so still pretty good  Grin

The weak USD is good for the US economy, it reduces the trade defecit. All planes from Europe to the US are now reportedly fully booked with bargain shoppers. Tourists from England fly directly to Denver to go skiing instead of the Alps, the reason - cost less and snow is guaranteed! The expensive Euro is already a concern for the EU since US consumers are buying less overpriced European goods and the EU is feeling the pinch. Layoffs will start following unless the EU Central Bank starts lowering their interest rate. The absence of US tourists in EU this summer will be noticiable and with Europeans flocking to the US, I am not sure how many European companies will be able to cope with the new reality.  Undecided Snooty Paris waiters will have to be retrained to learn about the concept of service.  Shocked There won't be many Amercians around, they find better values in Ukraine.  Smiley

The only places I would spend my USD these days overseas are in South Amercia and Eastern Europe (Ukraine, Russia, Belarus and Moldova)  Smiley The Euro zone will see no USD exchanged at overpriced rates coming from my pockets.  Grin Too much of a bargain shopper for that too happen  Grin  Grin  Grin

   
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 03:09 PM »

A drop from 5.05 to 5.00 is only insignificant if it is a small amount of USD you have in cash.  I also anticipate it going down to about 4.85 in the next few weeks with a long recovery (ie 6 months plus).  When I need USD in Ukraine I will buy it back via Euro and get much more USD for the Euro when paying my staff/suppliers etc. 

If it drops to where I think it will, it will be 25 or 30 kopeek reduction which is a large percentage on a large sum of USD cash.

I will obviously continue to pay people in USD whilst they want it (and lets face it here in Ukraine almost everything is cash in construction) but will by it back on an "ad hoc" basis with a strong currency against a weak one instead of simply writting off a few thousand USD because I was too lazy to change currency.

As and when it starts to recover towards the end of the year I will use a strong currency to buy the weaker (but improving USD currency) and get more USD for the Euro/Sterling/Yen/CHF whichever I want to convert back.

Unfortuanetly my cash (and I mean real cash) turnover is too great to wait 9 months for the recovery to begin by leaving it in USD.

Should Venesuala or Russia deside to sell oil and gas in Euro (or any other currency) instead of USD during this time the USD will take years to recover, and at the USA is hardly popular with either country at present they might. I am "hedging my bets" to coin a phrase........along with many Ukrainians it would appear  Wink     
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 06:14 PM »

The exchange rate was down to 4.85 in Odessa back in 2005/06, so it could happen again. Except for a few rough nations; Iran and Venezuela trying to get paid in Euro instead of USD, I think the rest is still happy to receive the greenback as long as oil prices keep going up. The weakening of the USD is compensated by the price increase. As for Venezulea, their oil is so "dirty" that many refineries around the globe can not take it, mostly US refineries have the technology to turn the Venezuelan crude into gazoline.

The currency situation has to play out its course, in the long run the US benefits from a low USD making US products very competitive abroad and keeping Americans vacationing in their on country and buying products made in the USA. Several EU companies are now estabilishing manufacturering plants in the US to have market access and benefit from the currency. Companies like Airbus, Mercedes and BMW are already here. The Japanese have doen the same with Toyota. Not too bad in my mind. Let's see how the Chinese junk products will fare with less US demand. Noticed the EU is now requireing China to get their envornmental act together or face trade sanctions.  Grin Long overdue  Grin Long overdue  Grin

The USD might strenghten later this year since it is an election year. Historically both currency and stock markets do well whenever there is an election.  Grin  In Kyiv no run on the banks, what you noticed in Odessa might be happening since there are fewer banks there but a lot of Odessa people with a lot of USD in their madrasses. The port is good to the Odessa economy Grin

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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 08:55 AM »

I believe that  the Euro is the most over valued currency in the world.  The USD will remain the world's standard far into the future due to the US's overwhelming multi-trillion dollar economy which dwarfs any economy in the world, especially Russia's less than 2 trillion dollar economy which, like its military, is hollow based on finite energy resources.  America may be down but, is far from out and is at its best when against the wall. 
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